From bertil at iire.org Mon Mar 2 16:54:42 2009 From: bertil at iire.org (Bertil Videt) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 16:54:42 +0100 Subject: [Palsem09] Resolution Palestine IC/CI Message-ID: <90ce57c90903020754s33c7796dp37dff99e41439be@mail.gmail.com> Please find attached the final resolution on Gaza adopted by the IC last weekend. Veuillez trouver ci-joint la resolution finale sur Gaza adopte par le CI le weekend dernier. -- Bertil Videt ------------------- Executive co-Director International Institute for Research and Education www.iire.org Phone: +31 20 6717263 De France: 0970467263 Skype: iire-iirf SIP: 222 at asterisk.iire.org Fax: +31 20 6732106 Lombokstraat 40 NL-1094AL Amsterdam -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Gaza resolution2_Eng.doc Type: application/msword Size: 25088 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Gaza resolution2_Fr.doc Type: application/msword Size: 29184 bytes Desc: not available URL: From FIbureau at wanadoo.fr Mon Mar 2 17:52:40 2009 From: FIbureau at wanadoo.fr (FIbureau) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 17:52:40 +0100 Subject: [Palsem09] Resolution Palestine IC/CI In-Reply-To: <90ce57c90903020754s33c7796dp37dff99e41439be@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Please do not circulate the resolution with the parts in bold. That was ust to indicate the amendments during the IC meeting. Penny le 2/03/09 16:54, Bertil Videt à bertil at iire.org a écrit : > Please find attached the final resolution on Gaza adopted by the IC > last weekend. > > Veuillez trouver ci-joint la resolution finale sur Gaza adopte par le > CI le weekend dernier. From pen.duggan at wanadoo.fr Mon Mar 2 20:46:26 2009 From: pen.duggan at wanadoo.fr (Penelope Duggan) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 20:46:26 +0100 Subject: [Palsem09] Resolution Palestine IC/CI In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Pour être clair. La résolution telle qu'elle circule est la résolution adoptée mais il n'y a pas volonté politique de souligner telle ou telle phrase, c'était pour indiquer au CI les amendements rajoutés après discussion. This message is only applicable to the Fench-speaking comrades who have received the resoliution with some phrases in bold, this was just to indicate to the IC comrades the amendments that had ben added after the discussion, there is no political meaning to it. le 2/03/09 17:52, FIbureau à FIbureau at wanadoo.fr a écrit : > > Please do not circulate the resolution with the parts in bold. That was ust > to indicate the amendments during the IC meeting. > Penny > > > le 2/03/09 16:54, Bertil Videt à bertil at iire.org a écrit : > >> Please find attached the final resolution on Gaza adopted by the IC >> last weekend. >> >> Veuillez trouver ci-joint la resolution finale sur Gaza adopte par le >> CI le weekend dernier. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Palsem09 mailing list > Palsem09 at iire.org > http://iire.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/palsem09 > From lagatta at cam.org Mon Mar 2 20:56:09 2009 From: lagatta at cam.org (lagatta) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 14:56:09 -0500 Subject: [Palsem09] Resolution Palestine IC/CI In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9EDA94BB-6C89-4B02-AA62-71B5612F284E@cam.org> Yes, but unless I'm misreading (very tired), the last sentence in English seems missing in the French version: In this struggle, it is necessary to combat, at the same time, all racist, anti-Semitic and islamophobic tendencies. Last paragraphs as written: Finally, its seems essential for us to step up the Boycott-Divestment- Sanction (BDS) campaign, initiated in 2003 by more than 170 NGOs, associations and Palestinian parties. The demand for BDS provides the opportunity to develop the solidarity movement with the aim to denounce the complicity of the governments and the major capitalist groups. The recent and coming successes of the BDS campaign can play a part in weakening the Zionist State and create the conditions to strengthen the Palestinian and anti-imperialist camp. In this struggle, it is necessary to combat, at the same time, all racist, anti-Semitic and islamophobic tendencies. Enfin, il nous semble essentiel d’amplifier la campagne de Boycott- Désinvestissement-Sanction (BDS), initiée en 2003 par plus de 170 ONG, associations et partis palestiniens. Le mot d’ordre du BDS permet de développer le mouvement de solidarité, avec l’objectif de dénoncer les complicités des gouvernements et des grands groupes capitalistes. Les succès actuels et à venir de la campagne BDS peuvent contribuer à affaiblir l’Etat sioniste et créer les conditions d’un renforcement du camp palestinien et anti-impérialiste. Of course I could retranslate it, but I remember the reading the last sentence already written in French, as well as English. M Le 2-Mar-09 à 14:46 , Penelope Duggan a écrit : > Pour être clair. La résolution telle qu'elle circule est la résolution > adoptée mais il n'y a pas volonté politique de souligner telle ou > telle > phrase, c'était pour indiquer au CI les amendements rajoutés après > discussion. > > This message is only applicable to the Fench-speaking comrades who > have > received the resoliution with some phrases in bold, this was just to > indicate to the IC comrades the amendments that had ben added after > the > discussion, there is no political meaning to it. > > > le 2/03/09 17:52, FIbureau à FIbureau at wanadoo.fr a écrit : > > >> >> Please do not circulate the resolution with the parts in bold. >> That was ust >> to indicate the amendments during the IC meeting. >> Penny >> >> >> le 2/03/09 16:54, Bertil Videt à bertil at iire.org a écrit : >> >> >>> Please find attached the final resolution on Gaza adopted by the IC >>> last weekend. >>> >>> Veuillez trouver ci-joint la resolution finale sur Gaza adopte >>> par le >>> CI le weekend dernier. >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Palsem09 mailing list >> Palsem09 at iire.org >> http://iire.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/palsem09 >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Palsem09 mailing list > Palsem09 at iire.org > http://iire.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/palsem09 > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From FIbureau at wanadoo.fr Mon Mar 2 23:11:04 2009 From: FIbureau at wanadoo.fr (FIbureau) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 23:11:04 +0100 Subject: [Palsem09] Resolution Palestine IC/CI In-Reply-To: <9EDA94BB-6C89-4B02-AA62-71B5612F284E@cam.org> Message-ID: Je crois que Marie a raison. Je vais demander à Peter de vérifier la version française ­ je ne lui avais demandé que la version anglaise auparavant - et ensuite elle sera envoyée. Penny le 2/03/09 20:56, lagatta à lagatta at cam.org a écrit : > Yes, but unless I'm misreading (very tired), the last sentence in English > seems missing in the French version: In this struggle, it is necessary to > combat, at the same time, all racist, anti-Semitic and islamophobic > tendencies. > > Last paragraphs as written: > > Finally, its seems essential for us to step up the Boycott-Divestment-Sanction > (BDS) campaign, initiated in 2003 by more than 170 NGOs, associations and > Palestinian parties. The demand for BDS provides the opportunity to develop > the solidarity movement with the aim to denounce the complicity of the > governments and the major capitalist groups. The recent and coming successes > of the BDS campaign can play a part in weakening the Zionist State and create > the conditions to strengthen the Palestinian and anti-imperialist camp. In > this struggle, it is necessary to combat, at the same time, all racist, > anti-Semitic and islamophobic tendencies. > > Enfin, il nous semble essentiel d¹amplifier la campagne de > Boycott-Désinvestissement-Sanction (BDS), initiée en 2003 par plus de 170 ONG, > associations et partis palestiniens. Le mot d¹ordre du BDS permet de > développer le mouvement de solidarité, avec l¹objectif de dénoncer les > complicités des gouvernements et des grands groupes capitalistes. Les succès > actuels et à venir de la campagne BDS peuvent contribuer à affaiblir l¹Etat > sioniste et créer les conditions d¹un renforcement du camp palestinien et > anti-impérialiste. > > Of course I could retranslate it, but I remember the reading the last sentence > already written in French, as well as English.  > > M > > > > > > > Le 2-Mar-09 à 14:46 , Penelope Duggan a écrit : > >> Pour être clair. La résolution telle qu'elle circule est la résolution >> adoptée mais il n'y a pas volonté politique de souligner telle ou telle >> phrase, c'était pour indiquer au CI les amendements rajoutés après >> discussion. >> >> This message is only applicable to the Fench-speaking comrades who have >> received the resoliution with some phrases in bold, this was just to >> indicate to the IC comrades the amendments that had ben added after the >> discussion, there is no political meaning to it. >> >> >> le 2/03/09 17:52, FIbureau à FIbureau at wanadoo.fr a écrit : >> >> >>> >>> Please do not circulate the resolution with the parts in bold. That was ust >>> to indicate the amendments during the IC meeting. >>> Penny >>> >>> >>> le 2/03/09 16:54, Bertil Videt à bertil at iire.org a écrit : >>> >>> >>>> Please find attached the final resolution on Gaza adopted by the IC >>>> last weekend. >>>> >>>> Veuillez trouver ci-joint la resolution finale sur Gaza adopte par le >>>> CI le weekend dernier. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Palsem09 mailing list >>> Palsem09 at iire.org >>> http://iire.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/palsem09 >>> >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Palsem09 mailing list >> Palsem09 at iire.org >> http://iire.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/palsem09 >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > --------- > Orange vous informe que cet e-mail a été contrôlé par l'anti-virus mail. > Aucun virus connu à ce jour par nos services n'a été détecté. > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: Gaza resolution2/Fr.doc Type: application/msword Size: 29184 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bertil at iire.org Tue Mar 3 16:11:30 2009 From: bertil at iire.org (Bertil Videt) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 16:11:30 +0100 Subject: [Palsem09] Soundfiles Palestine Seminar / Fichiers de Son, Seminaire Palestine Message-ID: <90ce57c90903030711x2a179dfdj39d1c0a7e9cfa732@mail.gmail.com> Dear comrades, The mp3 files of talks at the Palestine Seminar can all be downloaded in one bulk from http://gate.iire.org/soundfiles/palsem09/palsem09.zip It is a heavy file of almost 300 MB. Unfortunately there was a technical problem with the recording of Rolands talk, so only the last 6 minutes are available. All files are only recorded in the original language. Files from the public meeting are equally available at http://www.iire.org/content/view/160/1/ ---- Chers camarades, Les fichiers mp3 du séminaire Palestine peuvent être téléchargé en vrac du http://gate.iire.org/soundfiles/palsem09/palsem09.zip C'est un fichier lourd de pres de 300 MB. Malheureusement il y eu un problème technique avec l'enregistrement de l'introduction de Roland, et seulement les derniers 6 minutes sont disponible. Les introductions ne sont enregistre que dans la langue originale. Les fichiers de la réunion publique son également disponibles a http://www.iire.org/content/view/160/1/ -- Bertil Videt ------------------- Executive co-Director International Institute for Research and Education www.iire.org Phone: +31 20 6717263 De France: 0970467263 Skype: iire-iirf SIP: 222 at asterisk.iire.org Fax: +31 20 6732106 Lombokstraat 40 NL-1094AL Amsterdam From roland at rantam.net Wed Mar 4 14:15:25 2009 From: roland at rantam.net (Roland Rance) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 13:15:25 -0000 Subject: [Palsem09] Soundfiles Palestine Seminar / Fichiers de Son, Seminaire Palestine In-Reply-To: <90ce57c90903030711x2a179dfdj39d1c0a7e9cfa732@mail.gmail.com> References: <90ce57c90903030711x2a179dfdj39d1c0a7e9cfa732@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I attach the (slightly amended) text of my introduction at the seminar. I hope this compoensates for the mangled recording -- and you can read it more slowly! Roland -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The Seminar, conducted with simultaneous translation in English, French and Arabic, was a unique congregation of radical activists working in solidarity with the people of Palestine. Topics such as the imperialist strategy of USA and EU in the Middle East, the impact of the Zionist project in the region and current Israeli policies laid out the background for an in-depth discussion and assessment of the Palestinian national movement. Furthermore, the debates carried forward to the more long-term perspectives for Palestine. Despite differing approaches, the participants agreed on condemning the recent attacks against Gaza and unconditionally supporting the Palestinian people and their struggles: the right to self-determination without any external interference; the right of return for refugees or compensation for those who demand it; equal rights for the Palestinians, whatever their condition since 1948. Furthermore, seminar participants reaffirmed their solidarity with the struggle to dismantle the Zionist state -that represents a racist and colonialist project at the service of imperialism, and in favour of a political solution in which all the peoples of Palestine (Arab and Jew) can live together in full equality. Finally, a brief discussion concerning the Palestinian majority in Jordan and the need to dismantle that absolute monarchy was elaborated throughout the four days. The seminar ended with a commitment to produce a Notebook on the basis of the talks at the seminar and to gather a broader seminar next year. One of the most practical outcomes at the end of this IIRE session was the call for supporting the Boycott-Divestment-Sanction (BDS) campaign, initiated in 2003 by more than 170 NGOs, associations and Palestinian parties. For more background on radical views on the conflict, we recommend the reader prepared for the IIRE Palestine Seminar. http://gate.iire.org/readers/en_palsem09reader.pdf (English) http://gate.iire.org/readers/fr_palsem09reader.pdf (French) *Public Meeting: Palestine, Solidarity and the Left * Taking advantage of the high-level profile of those participating in the Palestine Seminar, IIRE -together with the Dutch bimonthly Grenzeloos, organised a public forum on Palestine. The evening started with clips from the documentary movies 'Generation Intifada' and 'Aloha Palestine' by radical filmmakers Chris Den Hond and Mireille Court. After this, Gilbert Achcar, IIRE fellow and Middle East expert, spoke about the international context of the latest war in Gaza. Sergio Yahni, of the Alternative Information Centre, offered a general summary of the political situation inside Israel and spoke specifically on the anti-war movement and the usefulness of boycotts and sanctions against the Israeli state. The final speaker was Lot van Baaren, a trade union and Palestine solidarity activist from Rotterdam, The Netherlands. She spoke about the prospects for the Dutch labour movement stepping up its solidarity with Palestine. The entire evening placed emphasis upon the important role that grassroots solidarity can play in the search for alternatives. The audience was a mixed group of over sixty people consisting of mostly activists, students and local political figures of the Dutch left. The three talks can be downloaded as mp3 files here http://www.iire.org/content/view/160/1 -- Bertil Videt ------------------- Executive co-Director International Institute for Research and Education www.iire.org Phone: +31 20 6717263 De France: 0970467263 Skype: iire-iirf SIP: 222 at asterisk.iire.org Fax: +31 20 6732106 Lombokstraat 40 NL-1094AL Amsterdam -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From roland at rantam.net Fri Mar 6 13:18:18 2009 From: roland at rantam.net (Roland Rance) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 12:18:18 -0000 Subject: [Palsem09] Paragraph on Palestine for IIRE Newsletter In-Reply-To: <90ce57c90903052309n78442805i8e91e232193dbd44@mail.gmail.com> References: <90ce57c90903052309n78442805i8e91e232193dbd44@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2950575E5C97498F9D03FE0BAEDE7C45@bigone> I have a problem with the formulation "the right of return for refugees or compensation for those who demand it". Surely we should be demanding the right of return for refugees and compensation for all of them ; even refugees who return to, or near to, their former homes deserve compensation for the 60 years of dispossession and suffering. Roland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mireille_court at yahoo.fr Fri Mar 6 16:16:40 2009 From: mireille_court at yahoo.fr (Mireille Court) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 15:16:40 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Palsem09] Re : Paragraph on Palestine for IIRE Newsletter References: <90ce57c90903052309n78442805i8e91e232193dbd44@mail.gmail.com> <2950575E5C97498F9D03FE0BAEDE7C45@bigone> Message-ID: <532794.15141.qm@web25301.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> I agree, 1OO%, with Roland! the problem is , can the text be modified after being adopted? It could open the door to less consensual changes. comradely, Mireille ________________________________ De : Roland Rance À : Bertil Videt ; palsem09 Envoyé le : Vendredi, 6 Mars 2009, 13h18mn 18s Objet : Re: [Palsem09] Paragraph on Palestine for IIRE Newsletter I have a problem with the formulation "the right of return for refugees or compensation for those who demand it". Surely we should be demanding the right of return for refugees and compensation for all of them ; even refugees who return to, or near to, their former homes deserve compensation for the 60 years of dispossession and suffering.   Roland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carmonabaez1 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 6 20:44:57 2009 From: carmonabaez1 at yahoo.com (antonio carmona baez) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 11:44:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Palsem09] Re : Paragraph on Palestine for IIRE Newsletter References: <90ce57c90903052309n78442805i8e91e232193dbd44@mail.gmail.com> <2950575E5C97498F9D03FE0BAEDE7C45@bigone> <532794.15141.qm@web25301.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <428495.34502.qm@web33704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The paragraph for the newsletter will be modified accordingly. A ________________________________ From: Mireille Court To: Roland Rance ; Bertil Videt ; palsem09 Sent: Friday, March 6, 2009 4:16:40 PM Subject: [Palsem09] Re : Paragraph on Palestine for IIRE Newsletter I agree, 1OO%, with Roland! the problem is , can the text be modified after being adopted? It could open the door to less consensual changes. comradely, Mireille ________________________________ De : Roland Rance À : Bertil Videt ; palsem09 Envoyé le : Vendredi, 6 Mars 2009, 13h18mn 18s Objet : Re: [Palsem09] Paragraph on Palestine for IIRE Newsletter I have a problem with the formulation "the right of return for refugees or compensation for those who demand it". Surely we should be demanding the right of return for refugees and compensation for all of them ; even refugees who return to, or near to, their former homes deserve compensation for the 60 years of dispossession and suffering. Roland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: