From rosaburg at antenna.nl  Thu Aug 26 09:10:03 2010
From: rosaburg at antenna.nl (Peter Drucker)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 09:10:03 +0200
Subject: [Palsem09] International Jewish Anti-Zionist Network in Europe?
Message-ID: <f06240800c89bc15f3dc1@[192.168.254.1]>

Dear comrades,

Do any of us have any contacts with the International Jewish 
Anti-Zionist Network (IJAN) in Europe? A comrade in the US attended 
the recent national gathering that IJAN organized in Detroit, and 
thought the turnout (200 people) was good considering the political 
climate in the US and that the meeting was useful. I think a similar 
gathering in Europe (drawing mainly on the London and Paris regions, 
I'd expect) could have a positive ideological impact. I sent an email 
response form through the IJAN website asking about this possibility, 
but have gotten no response. I have no contacts here in the 
Netherlands, although I see that the IJAN website has publicized a 
tour by Hajo Meyer of the Dutch group Een Ander Joods Geluid (A 
Different Jewish Voice); I've never contacted that group, although it 
does some good work, because its website insists that it acts out of 
"a feeling of conection with Israel's fate" and definitely not 
"infringing on Israel's right to exist" - positions that I don't 
agree with, of course. Perhaps French or British comrades have 
contacts in this network that might be useful? In any event any 
information about it would be appreciated.

Comradely,
Peter
-- 



From mireille_court at yahoo.fr  Thu Aug 26 09:42:17 2010
From: mireille_court at yahoo.fr (Mireille Court)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 07:42:17 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Palsem09] Re : International Jewish Anti-Zionist Network in Europe?
In-Reply-To: <f06240800c89bc15f3dc1@[192.168.254.1]>
References: <f06240800c89bc15f3dc1@[192.168.254.1]>
Message-ID: <920333.86664.qm@web25302.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Dear Peter,
We have at least one comrade of the NPA in this network, probably more, they 
have organized events in Paris, they're more tradical and anti zionist than lthe 
UJFP, Liliana is the person you should get in touch with , I m sending this to 
her to so she will have your e mail, she's at the NPA summer university at the 
moment so don t expect an answer before the end of the week!
all the best
mireille

 



________________________________
De : Peter Drucker <rosaburg at antenna.nl>
À : palsem09 at iire.org
Envoyé le : Jeu 26 août 2010, 9h 10min 03s
Objet : [Palsem09] International Jewish Anti-Zionist Network in Europe?

Dear comrades,

Do any of us have any contacts with the International Jewish Anti-Zionist 
Network (IJAN) in Europe? A comrade in the US attended the recent national 
gathering that IJAN organized in Detroit, and thought the turnout (200 people) 
was good considering the political climate in the US and that the meeting was 
useful. I think a similar gathering in Europe (drawing mainly on the London and 
Paris regions, I'd expect) could have a positive ideological impact. I sent an 
email response form through the IJAN website asking about this possibility, but 
have gotten no response. I have no contacts here in the Netherlands, although I 
see that the IJAN website has publicized a tour by Hajo Meyer of the Dutch group 
Een Ander Joods Geluid (A Different Jewish Voice); I've never contacted that 
group, although it does some good work, because its website insists that it acts 
out of "a feeling of conection with Israel's fate" and definitely not 
"infringing on Israel's right to exist" - positions that I don't agree with, of 
course. Perhaps French or British comrades have contacts in this network that 
might be useful? In any event any information about it would be appreciated.

Comradely,
Peter
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From udi2 at bluewin.ch  Thu Aug 26 12:48:31 2010
From: udi2 at bluewin.ch (Urs Diethelm)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 12:48:31 +0200
Subject: [Palsem09] Re : International Jewish Anti-Zionist Network in
 Europe?
In-Reply-To: <920333.86664.qm@web25302.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
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	<920333.86664.qm@web25302.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
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  Dear Peter
we work with two activist of IJAn in Geneva. One is Ur Shlonsky 
<Ur.Shlonsky at lettres.unige.ch>.
best
Urs

Am 26.08.2010 09:42, schrieb Mireille Court:
> Dear Peter,
> We have at least one comrade of the NPA in this network, probably 
> more, they have organized events in Paris, they're more tradical and 
> anti zionist than lthe UJFP, Liliana is the person you should get in 
> touch with , I m sending this to her to so she will have your e mail, 
> she's at the NPA summer university at the moment so don t expect an 
> answer before the end of the week!
> all the best
> mireille
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *De :* Peter Drucker <rosaburg at antenna.nl>
> *À :* palsem09 at iire.org
> *Envoyé le :* Jeu 26 août 2010, 9h 10min 03s
> *Objet :* [Palsem09] International Jewish Anti-Zionist Network in Europe?
>
> Dear comrades,
>
> Do any of us have any contacts with the International Jewish 
> Anti-Zionist Network (IJAN) in Europe? A comrade in the US attended 
> the recent national gathering that IJAN organized in Detroit, and 
> thought the turnout (200 people) was good considering the political 
> climate in the US and that the meeting was useful. I think a similar 
> gathering in Europe (drawing mainly on the London and Paris regions, 
> I'd expect) could have a positive ideological impact. I sent an email 
> response form through the IJAN website asking about this possibility, 
> but have gotten no response. I have no contacts here in the 
> Netherlands, although I see that the IJAN website has publicized a 
> tour by Hajo Meyer of the Dutch group Een Ander Joods Geluid (A 
> Different Jewish Voice); I've never contacted that group, although it 
> does some good work, because its website insists that it acts out of 
> "a feeling of conection with Israel's fate" and definitely not 
> "infringing on Israel's right to exist" - positions that I don't agree 
> with, of course. Perhaps French or British comrades have contacts in 
> this network that might be useful? In any event any information about 
> it would be appreciated.
>
> Comradely,
> Peter
> -- 
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From lagatta at cam.org  Thu Aug 26 13:01:11 2010
From: lagatta at cam.org (lagatta)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 07:01:11 -0400
Subject: [Palsem09] Re : International Jewish Anti-Zionist Network in
	Europe?
In-Reply-To: <4C76467F.704@bluewin.ch>
References: <f06240800c89bc15f3dc1@[192.168.254.1]>
	<920333.86664.qm@web25302.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
	<4C76467F.704@bluewin.ch>
Message-ID: <A928C212-3532-488E-B0A9-A1A830ED21B7@cam.org>

Do keep in mind that UJFP has moved leftwards and does support BDS  
now ttp://www.protection-palestine.org/spip.php?article7560 though  
its roots are not anti-Zionist per se, but anti-occupation and  
supporting Palestinian rights.

I have a friend from here who attended the Detroit gathering; there  
may have been others from Québec and Canada - Detroit is right on the  
border.

Marie, in Montréal


Le 26-Aug-10 à 06:48 , Urs Diethelm a écrit :

> Dear Peter
> we work with two activist of IJAn in Geneva. One is Ur Shlonsky  
> <Ur.Shlonsky at lettres.unige.ch>.
> best
> Urs
>
> Am 26.08.2010 09:42, schrieb Mireille Court:
>> Dear Peter,
>> We have at least one comrade of the NPA in this network, probably  
>> more, they have organized events in Paris, they're more tradical  
>> and anti zionist than lthe UJFP, Liliana is the person you should  
>> get in touch with , I m sending this to her to so she will have  
>> your e mail, she's at the NPA summer university at the moment so  
>> don t expect an answer before the end of the week!
>> all the best
>> mireille
>>
>>
>>
>> De : Peter Drucker <rosaburg at antenna.nl>
>> À : palsem09 at iire.org
>> Envoyé le : Jeu 26 août 2010, 9h 10min 03s
>> Objet : [Palsem09] International Jewish Anti-Zionist Network in  
>> Europe?
>>
>> Dear comrades,
>>
>> Do any of us have any contacts with the International Jewish Anti- 
>> Zionist Network (IJAN) in Europe? A comrade in the US attended the  
>> recent national gathering that IJAN organized in Detroit, and  
>> thought the turnout (200 people) was good considering the  
>> political climate in the US and that the meeting was useful. I  
>> think a similar gathering in Europe (drawing mainly on the London  
>> and Paris regions, I'd expect) could have a positive ideological  
>> impact. I sent an email response form through the IJAN website  
>> asking about this possibility, but have gotten no response. I have  
>> no contacts here in the Netherlands, although I see that the IJAN  
>> website has publicized a tour by Hajo Meyer of the Dutch group Een  
>> Ander Joods Geluid (A Different Jewish Voice); I've never  
>> contacted that group, although it does some good work, because its  
>> website insists that it acts out of "a feeling of conection with  
>> Israel's fate" and definitely not "infringing on Israel's right to  
>> exist" - positions that I don't agree with, of course. Perhaps  
>> French or British comrades have contacts in this network that  
>> might be useful? In any event any information about it would be  
>> appreciated.
>>
>> Comradely,
>> Peter
>> -- 
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From roland at rantam.net  Thu Aug 26 15:18:18 2010
From: roland at rantam.net (Roland Rance)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 14:18:18 +0100
Subject: [Palsem09] International Jewish Anti-Zionist Network in Europe?
In-Reply-To: <f06240800c89bc15f3dc1@[192.168.254.1]>
References: <f06240800c89bc15f3dc1@[192.168.254.1]>
Message-ID: <006001cb4521$262dbc80$72893580$@net>

 I was involved in the original series of meetings that led to the
establishment./ Indeed, there are still phrases which I wrote in the
founding documnents.

However, my group in London (Jews Against Zionism) grew concerned about lack
of financial transparency within the core group. We also discovered, through
our own contacts, that they appeared to be  conducting two separate sets of
negotiations around this, without informing others. So we withdrew from the
project.

It subsequently turned out that the main body behind IJAN was the Crossroads
Women's Centre/Kings Cross Women's Centre/English Collective of
Prostitutes/Wages for Housework network around Selma James. Many activists
in Britain are very wary of this network; people from various backgrounds
have had very difficult experiences with them.

Although I am in contact with IJAN, I would certainly not recommend
establishing any formal relationship with them.

Roland 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: palsem09-bounces at iire.org [mailto:palsem09-bounces at iire.org] On
> Behalf Of Peter Drucker
> Sent: 26 August 2010 8:10 AM
> To: palsem09 at iire.org
> Subject: [Palsem09] International Jewish Anti-Zionist Network in
> Europe?
> 
> Dear comrades,
> 
> Do any of us have any contacts with the International Jewish
> Anti-Zionist Network (IJAN) in Europe? A comrade in the US
> attended
> the recent national gathering that IJAN organized in Detroit, and
> thought the turnout (200 people) was good considering the political
> climate in the US and that the meeting was useful. I think a similar
> gathering in Europe (drawing mainly on the London and Paris regions,
> I'd expect) could have a positive ideological impact. I sent an email
> response form through the IJAN website asking about this possibility,
> but have gotten no response. I have no contacts here in the
> Netherlands, although I see that the IJAN website has publicized a
> tour by Hajo Meyer of the Dutch group Een Ander Joods Geluid (A
> Different Jewish Voice); I've never contacted that group, although it
> does some good work, because its website insists that it acts out of
> "a feeling of conection with Israel's fate" and definitely not
> "infringing on Israel's right to exist" - positions that I don't
> agree with, of course. Perhaps French or British comrades have
> contacts in this network that might be useful? In any event any
> information about it would be appreciated.
> 
> Comradely,
> Peter
> --
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Palsem09 at iire.org
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From lagatta at cam.org  Thu Aug 26 16:33:27 2010
From: lagatta at cam.org (lagatta)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 10:33:27 -0400
Subject: [Palsem09] International Jewish Anti-Zionist Network in Europe?
In-Reply-To: <006001cb4521$262dbc80$72893580$@net>
References: <f06240800c89bc15f3dc1@[192.168.254.1]>
	<006001cb4521$262dbc80$72893580$@net>
Message-ID: <643C60F7-F215-46CB-BB10-14110C845D23@cam.org>

That does sound problematic, Roland. I'm extremely wary of that gang.  
I believe Penelope and others have had very bad experiences with them.

While I'm certainly "against Zionism", I think the most important  
thing in terms of activism is people's and groups' concrete actions  
and willingness to take a stand for BDS, breaking the blocade and  
other means of supporting the struggle of the Palestinian people. We  
know that there can be people who are long on verbal radicalism and  
short on delivering the goods.

Of course the North American IJAN could be a whole different set of  
people.

The other question for activists is whether those of Jewish  
background actually want to express themselves through a Jewish  
network, or one that makes no reference to the cultural, ethnic and  
religious-tradition origin of people. People will probably have to  
decide that on their own; nobody should be forced to work in such  
networks.

ciao

Marie, in Montréal

Le 26-Aug-10 à 09:18 , Roland Rance a écrit :

>  I was involved in the original series of meetings that led to the
> establishment./ Indeed, there are still phrases which I wrote in the
> founding documnents.
>
> However, my group in London (Jews Against Zionism) grew concerned  
> about lack
> of financial transparency within the core group. We also  
> discovered, through
> our own contacts, that they appeared to be  conducting two separate  
> sets of
> negotiations around this, without informing others. So we withdrew  
> from the
> project.
>
> It subsequently turned out that the main body behind IJAN was the  
> Crossroads
> Women's Centre/Kings Cross Women's Centre/English Collective of
> Prostitutes/Wages for Housework network around Selma James. Many  
> activists
> in Britain are very wary of this network; people from various  
> backgrounds
> have had very difficult experiences with them.
>
> Although I am in contact with IJAN, I would certainly not recommend
> establishing any formal relationship with them.
>
> Roland
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: palsem09-bounces at iire.org [mailto:palsem09-bounces at iire.org] On
>> Behalf Of Peter Drucker
>> Sent: 26 August 2010 8:10 AM
>> To: palsem09 at iire.org
>> Subject: [Palsem09] International Jewish Anti-Zionist Network in
>> Europe?
>>
>> Dear comrades,
>>
>> Do any of us have any contacts with the International Jewish
>> Anti-Zionist Network (IJAN) in Europe? A comrade in the US
>> attended
>> the recent national gathering that IJAN organized in Detroit, and
>> thought the turnout (200 people) was good considering the political
>> climate in the US and that the meeting was useful. I think a similar
>> gathering in Europe (drawing mainly on the London and Paris regions,
>> I'd expect) could have a positive ideological impact. I sent an email
>> response form through the IJAN website asking about this possibility,
>> but have gotten no response. I have no contacts here in the
>> Netherlands, although I see that the IJAN website has publicized a
>> tour by Hajo Meyer of the Dutch group Een Ander Joods Geluid (A
>> Different Jewish Voice); I've never contacted that group, although it
>> does some good work, because its website insists that it acts out of
>> "a feeling of conection with Israel's fate" and definitely not
>> "infringing on Israel's right to exist" - positions that I don't
>> agree with, of course. Perhaps French or British comrades have
>> contacts in this network that might be useful? In any event any
>> information about it would be appreciated.
>>
>> Comradely,
>> Peter
>> --
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>
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From roland at rantam.net  Thu Aug 26 16:36:11 2010
From: roland at rantam.net (Roland Rance)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 15:36:11 +0100
Subject: [Palsem09] International Jewish Anti-Zionist Network in Europe?
In-Reply-To: <006001cb4521$262dbc80$72893580$@net>
References: <f06240800c89bc15f3dc1@[192.168.254.1]>
	<006001cb4521$262dbc80$72893580$@net>
Message-ID: <006d01cb452c$076f18b0$164d4a10$@net>

Sorry, typo in the first sentence. I meant to write, I was involved in the
original series of meetings that led to the  establishment of IJAN

Roland 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: palsem09-bounces at iire.org [mailto:palsem09-bounces at iire.org] On
> Behalf Of Roland Rance
> Sent: 26 August 2010 2:18 PM
> To: 'Peter Drucker'; palsem09 at iire.org
> Subject: Re: [Palsem09] International Jewish Anti-Zionist Network in
> Europe?
> 
>  I was involved in the original series of meetings that led to the
> establishment./ Indeed, there are still phrases which I wrote in the
> founding documnents.
> 
> However, my group in London (Jews Against Zionism) grew concerned
> about lack
> of financial transparency within the core group. We also discovered,
through
> our own contacts, that they appeared to be  conducting two separate sets
> of
> negotiations around this, without informing others. So we withdrew from
the
> project.
> 
> It subsequently turned out that the main body behind IJAN was the
> Crossroads
> Women's Centre/Kings Cross Women's Centre/English Collective of
> Prostitutes/Wages for Housework network around Selma James. Many
> activists
> in Britain are very wary of this network; people from various backgrounds
> have had very difficult experiences with them.
> 
> Although I am in contact with IJAN, I would certainly not recommend
> establishing any formal relationship with them.
> 
> Roland
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: palsem09-bounces at iire.org [mailto:palsem09-bounces at iire.org]
> On
> > Behalf Of Peter Drucker
> > Sent: 26 August 2010 8:10 AM
> > To: palsem09 at iire.org
> > Subject: [Palsem09] International Jewish Anti-Zionist Network in
> > Europe?
> >
> > Dear comrades,
> >
> > Do any of us have any contacts with the International Jewish
> > Anti-Zionist Network (IJAN) in Europe? A comrade in the US
> > attended
> > the recent national gathering that IJAN organized in Detroit, and
> > thought the turnout (200 people) was good considering the political
> > climate in the US and that the meeting was useful. I think a similar
> > gathering in Europe (drawing mainly on the London and Paris regions,
> > I'd expect) could have a positive ideological impact. I sent an email
> > response form through the IJAN website asking about this possibility,
> > but have gotten no response. I have no contacts here in the
> > Netherlands, although I see that the IJAN website has publicized a
> > tour by Hajo Meyer of the Dutch group Een Ander Joods Geluid (A
> > Different Jewish Voice); I've never contacted that group, although it
> > does some good work, because its website insists that it acts out of
> > "a feeling of conection with Israel's fate" and definitely not
> > "infringing on Israel's right to exist" - positions that I don't
> > agree with, of course. Perhaps French or British comrades have
> > contacts in this network that might be useful? In any event any
> > information about it would be appreciated.
> >
> > Comradely,
> > Peter
> > --
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Palsem09 mailing list
> > Palsem09 at iire.org
> > http://iire.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/palsem09
> 
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From roland at rantam.net  Thu Aug 26 16:48:16 2010
From: roland at rantam.net (Roland Rance)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 15:48:16 +0100
Subject: [Palsem09] International Jewish Anti-Zionist Network in Europe?
In-Reply-To: <643C60F7-F215-46CB-BB10-14110C845D23@cam.org>
References: <f06240800c89bc15f3dc1@[192.168.254.1]>
	<006001cb4521$262dbc80$72893580$@net>
	<643C60F7-F215-46CB-BB10-14110C845D23@cam.org>
Message-ID: <007201cb452d$b784ce10$268e6a30$@net>

(My last message bounced back, as the attachment made it too long. So I have
pasted the content below).

Our own bad experience was not originally directly with the Selma James
network, who kept in the background at the time (beginning of 2007). It was
actually the North American (San Francisco) activists that we fell out with.


There is, by the way, a very positive-looking meeting in London next
weekend, Jews and Palestine: Our role in the solidarity movement (flyer
attached). Members of IJAN will be there, but will not be able to take over
the meeting and any subsequent development. If anyone wants further details,
or is interested in attending, please contact me.

Roland

London Conference 1100-1730 Saturday 4th September 2010

Jews and Palestine:
Our role in the solidarity movement

The global campaign to support the Palestinian call for Boycott, Divestment
and Sanctions (BDS) is gathering pace, forming the focus for a broad-based
solidarity movement. 
Many Jews are actively involved but we lack a clear sense of our specific
contribution to Palestinian liberation.
Jews for Boycotting Israeli Goods (J-BIG) invites all Jews who share this
concern to join us from 11.00 to 17.30 on Saturday September 4 at
  
The Magdalen Centre, St Mary's Church
Eversholt Street, London NW1 1BN (close to Euston station)  
 
Panel discussion with: 
Haim Bresheeth, filmmaker, Chair of Media and Cultural Studies at the
University of East London, member of the British Committee for the
Universities of Palestine (BRICUP)
Antony Lerman, former director of the Institute for Jewish Policy Research
Moshe Machover, founding member of the Israeli socialist organization
MATZPEN, mathematician and professor emeritus, Kings College London
Mike Marqusee, activist and writer. Latest book: 
If I Am Not For Myself: Journey of an Anti-Zionist Jew

Workshop sessions and plenary on themes including:
- Making Jewish solidarity with Palestine more prominent, more effective,
more coordinated
- Clarifying the strategic objectives of BDS and the broader movement
- Considering our role in shifting opinion within the UK Jewish community
- Understanding and combating the Israel lobby
 - Dealing with attempts to define BDS/Palestine solidarity as anti-Semitic
- Defining how our understanding of Zionism influences solidarity strategies
- Reviewing current organisations, Jewish and otherwise
- Planning effective structures for the future

Booking essential. To reserve your place email your name and details to
jews4big at gmail.com
Contribution payable on the day: £3 minimum per person (Refreshments
provided)

Location map: http://tinyurl.com/37qby82